Better brakes?

[soopersubaru]

Whilst i do like my Endless setup with braided brake lines/slotted rotors. This is well worth a read.

Very eye opening. Absolutely true too! http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1998265

[slystiguy]

good read

[newsuba]

I mentioned tyres in this thread

http://www.clubsub.org.nz/forum/index.php/topic,38792.15/topicseen.html

;D

[gotasuby]

But they don\'t mention brake bias, that will decrease stopping distance if get it right. Also I have got brake fade many times on facrory brakes and trust me you can\'t stop fast if you have fade.

[jbmurc3.0]

Well it\'s true in the fact if your not pushing your car hard the standard brakes are fine doesn\'t matter what the power output is as it\'s more so the weight of the car it\'s slowing down ....still I wouldn\'t say no to larger brakes as I found out just the other day in my GT30-B spec that I had next to no brakes after coming down the crown range (round 300-400m down within 5-6 hairpin corners..larger brakes would take much longer to go to fade....and I wasn\'t pushing it at all....

[gotasuby]

That\'s one place I have had brake fade. Also not pushing it

[tebbyj]

Very good read and makes a lot of sense, in theory. In practice when you factor in heat and brake fade, ABS systems (or lack of), wear and tear on brakes or suspension, varying road conditions and more importantly weight of the vehicle it changes things. After all there is a reason people don\'t put brakes from a Toyota Corolla on a Lambo or a Rubbish Truck.

But tires are the only think that holds your car on the road so the best overall performance upgrade is the tires, and correct wheel alignment for your set up. Closely followed by weight reductions.

[Marky]

 

WTFBBQ ALLOY PADS, SUPERBUTTSEKS INCREDITAINIUM LINES AND CHUCK NORRIS BRAND FLUID

Hahaha

While what he says is right, I\'d say most of us have learned the pants-filling way what happens when your brakes get cooked (for a variety of reasons) and pushing the middle pedal harder just doesnt do much any more

[Guest]

What I know is going to my 315mm 4 pot fronts over stock 277mm 2 pots I dont get fade where I used to get it a fair bit driving hard. If you stomp them they literally try to throw you from the car when the pads are hot.

[soopersubaru]

 evowrx said:

What I know is going to my 315mm 4 pot fronts over stock 277mm 2 pots I dont get fade where I used to get it a fair bit driving hard. If you stomp them they literally try to throw you from the car when the pads are hot.

Car will NOT stop quicker with bigger brakes..........Bigger brakes just reduce fade.

[Guest]

 soopersubaru']

[quote name='evowrx said:

What I know is going to my 315mm 4 pot fronts over stock 277mm 2 pots I dont get fade where I used to get it a fair bit driving hard. If you stomp them they literally try to throw you from the car when the pads are hot.

/quote]

Car will NOT stop quicker with bigger brakes..........Bigger brakes just reduce fade.

Well somethings different as when the pads are up to temp they bite really really well. Wouldnt know if it stops quicker or not but the initial bite is a hell of a lot different.

[soopersubaru]

 evowrx']

[quote name='evowrx said:

What I know is going to my 315mm 4 pot fronts over stock 277mm 2 pots I dont get fade where I used to get it a fair bit driving hard. If you stomp them they literally try to throw you from the car when the pads are hot.

/quote]

Car will NOT stop quicker with bigger brakes..........Bigger brakes just reduce fade.

Well somethings different as when the pads are up to temp they bite really really well. Wouldnt know if it stops quicker or not but the initial bite is a hell of a lot different.

Because there is more pad area and less "acceptable" therefore noticeable initial pad "warming" fade. Re my first post when i posted this topic. Better compound,construction and wider tires will stop you quicker.

[gotasuby]

If everything stayed the same with tyres apart from width you don\'t gain grip from wider tyres as pressure on the road goes down. Most of tyre manufacturers go softer compound when wider so u gain grip there.

[soopersubaru]

 gotasuby said:

If everything stayed the same with tyres apart from width you don\'t gain grip from wider tyres as pressure on the road goes down. Most of tyre manufacturers go softer compound when wider so u gain grip there.

True. The bigger and stickier the footprint the better the stopping power. Physics.

[D-Style]

 soopersubaru']

[quote name='evowrx said:

What I know is going to my 315mm 4 pot fronts over stock 277mm 2 pots I dont get fade where I used to get it a fair bit driving hard. If you stomp them they literally try to throw you from the car when the pads are hot.

/quote]

Car will NOT stop quicker with bigger brakes..........Bigger brakes just reduce fade.

Well somethings different as when the pads are up to temp they bite really really well. Wouldnt know if it stops quicker or not but the initial bite is a hell of a lot different.

Because there is more pad area and less "acceptable" therefore noticeable initial pad "warming" fade. Re my first post when i posted this topic. Better compound,construction and wider tires will stop you quicker.

Bigger Rotors create more leverage, so there would be more stopping force given the same enegry input.

Think of differece of effort using a 300mm strong arm vs. a 1000mm strong to undo the same bolt.

[soopersubaru]

Bigger Rotors create more leverage, so there would be more stopping force given the same enegry input.

Think of differece of effort using a 300mm strong arm vs. a 1000mm strong to undo the same bolt.

Mr D-Style

Read this. You obviously have not. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1998265

[nickch]

 soopersubaru said:

 

Bigger Rotors create more leverage, so there would be more stopping force given the same enegry input.

Think of differece of effort using a 300mm strong arm vs. a 1000mm strong to undo the same bolt.

Mr D-Style

Read this. You obviously have not. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1998265

What soopersubaru is pointing out (with regards to what is mentioned in the link) is, braking hard, even with stock brakes, would push the limits of the tyre\'s traction capabilities first.

So regardless, if you can fit 1m wide disc brakes, given the same weight of car, you\'d break traction at your tyres first, even with stock brakes.

[D-Style]

If you re-read my comment, I underlined Force. Braking force. Not Stopping distance.

[GC8E2DD]

Also, that nasoic poster keeps pointing out that he is NOT talking about heat induced fade - afaict he is ONLY talking about that single panic stop in perfect conditions (and in the context of traffic light racing no less ...). Bigger brakes help to reduce fade via greater thermal mass absorbing and dissipating the heat. As people have already pointed out, heat induced brake fade DOES happen in regular driving, AND is dangerous, AND can be helped by bigger brakes. I don\'t think it is news to anyone that if you can lock up your brakes in perfect conditions that bigger brakes are unnecessary in that context.

[soopersubaru]

 D-Style said:

If you re-read my comment, I underlined Force. Braking force. Not Stopping distance.

Pedal force changes. yes, Also fade is reduced. Car stopping distance and ability to reduce speed quickly under normal conditions does not change.

Of course this is for the average daily driver, Not the driver that drives! or is racing etc, if you know what i mean.