code 13 problems.... Need help please

[Guest]

Ok here gos my first topic on CLUBSUB (pitty its not under better circumstances).

Subaru Legacy 1997 EJ20TT 5Speed White Wagon

Problem: When i go to start car it keep turning over ( rararararararararararararararara) (sqwalk)

Fault Code: 13 ( Cam Sensor )

What i have done so far: i have replaced the cam sensor for a knowin good one. Then i drained all electrics and placed battery back in, then checked for anymore faults - nuthing but a constant flash of the CEL... pulled out diag plugs.

Try to start it and nuthing but the rararararararara of the starter.

ATM i have checked timming belt - looks ok, im yet to get a mate to help me turn engine over and check timming markings. Also i am pulling the starter off because it sound very sick..

if there is anyone out there that has any idea of what it may be, please help..

P.S. I'm too broke to pay Bayswater Subaru to do it......

[Swindog]

Checked the crank sensor?

[Guest]

sorry forgot to put it in the post

yes checked the crank sensor! Thanks

[Guest]

what other things have you done to the car recently?

just for a bit of background, that could help

-smurff

[Guest]

well its at about 120,000, at about 97,000 i did the timming belt and tensioner...

made abit of a mess ended up breaking the lh intake and exhast cam gears, did the cam seals because it was leaking though down to the f/lh manifold area and burning white smoke.... as i checked the timming belt it had a top middle wear mark on it, im yet to check all of the timming gears.

its admittantly had a hard life from the getgo opon its arrival to nz.

Would it help make a diagnostic if i put it back together and make alittle clip of it turning over

[Guest]

cant hurt to try giving us a video clip

-smurff

[Guest]

Good as gold, ill put fresh 2nhand starter on it and put it back together tomorrow afternoon..

[kamineko]

do you have access to a scope to check the new cam sensor is working?

check the intermediate loom connections by the battery

[Guest boostin]

Is it a BG or a very early BH?

[Joker]

I bet a doughnut its a BG

[dubbedup]

subaru legacy wagon BG5 ej20tt 5speed manual.

[Guest]

confirmed its a BG5.

[Guest boostin]

Check that the cam sensor plug and no. 2 injector plug haven't been swapped.

Unplug the alternator and try starting.

[Chosimba]

Does the engine turn over? Or does it make a sound like a rattle gun when trying to start? Have you tried another battery?

[Guest]

The video has been up loaded to Youtube, just type in Subaru Legacy Not Starting ...

[Ben]

link ;

[log1call]

The trouble code can be caused by too much cranking... because it won't start, not nessecarily the cause of the no start.

The first thing you should do is check for fuel supply and spark... both fairly easy to do.

Then you check for compression and timing.

There is a certain order we are meant to follow to figure what is wrong with cars, and it's not to jump to conclusions because someone else had a problem like that once!

[Guest boostin]

Thats one sick sounding starter motor!!

[Volcanix]

holy crap man that thing sounds arse once you stop cranking, it almost fires then it doesnt , are all your plugs firing in the right order?

[Guest]

oh yeah im helping will get it going so wondering what the coorect fireing order is?

also how do you check timing with when its coil pack ect, you cant use a timing light can you?

[log1call]

You can connect an inductive pick-up timing light to a coils low voltage wire to check the timing. If it works that sort of checks for spark too.

You also want to check the cam timing.

Before that though check you have fuel and spark.

Crank it over with full throttle for a few minutes then quickly pull a spark plug out and see if it's wet with fuel. While it's out put it onto it's coil and rest it on the motor and crank the motor to check for spark.

[Guest]

cheers ill hit will up tomorrow and head ova for a look seel

[Guest]

this car was sorted out about 2 weeks ago

#2 inj plug and cam sensor plug had been routed incorrectly ( yes same 2pin style plug)

[Guest boostin]

w00t!! I picked it!! Do I get a prize??

 boostin said:

Check that the cam sensor plug and no. 2 injector plug haven't been swapped.

Unplug the alternator and try starting.

[Guest]

Sorry boostin, i havn't got the problem sorted. I havnt touched the injector wires because if i do i'll probibly more damage somthing else and end up costing me more money.. but anyway ill sus dyl out and we have alook at it anyways, thanks everyone for their ideas!!