Nope, spences sounds like a stright map limit on a Link lol. Will get to the bottom of it if he leaves it with me and gives me somthing for my time/countless hours lol ;D. Have helped him with all the obvious stuff/lending parts but need time to go thru process of testing and or elimination to come up with somting more then bro try this or hey marc can I borrow all your suby parts . Ither way its not a common one but sure can be fixed. I sure havent seen every problem by far haha so this thread is worth while while he saves up incase som1 has come by this before. I stil reckon somthing in the manifold loom is not right as another free stab lol till then spence peace out