Difference between 2007 Auto and manual

[Legacy05]

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me the difference in the 2007LGT motor between the auto and manual models?

I know the older auto legacy's had less power in auto form. Is that the case here? smaller/different turbo? different fuel/timing maps?

cheers.

[killervq30de]

I don't believe any difference in the actual motor, the ecu how ever is apparently detuned a bit for the autos. I don't know how big the power gap is now as both the auto and manual have the same turbo in the bp5 2006+ Before it was td05 in manual vs a vf38

[Andy_Mac]

They are named differently but the engine itself will essentially be the same. EJ20y and EJ20x. its a TD04 not 05 in the older ones too. But 2007 models have the same for both. Map is obviously very different between the two.

Is this in relation to swapping an engine or just wanting considerations for what model to go for? There's also some EJ255 models out there too.

[killervq30de]

 Andy_Mac said:

They are named differently but the engine itself will essentially be the same. EJ20y and EJ20x. its a TD04 not 05 in the older ones too. But 2007 models have the same for both. Map is obviously very different between the two.

Is this in relation to swapping an engine or just wanting considerations for what model to go for? There's also some EJ255 models out there too.

How different are the maps are they autos detuned for a good reason as I thought the stock autobox was good for a reasonable WHP? I thought it was based on RPM, throttle% and stuff (techical term), so it didn't care what was changing the gears.

[Legacy05]

 killervq30de said:

I don't believe any difference in the actual motor, the ecu how ever is apparently detuned a bit for the autos. I don't know how big the power gap is now as both the auto and manual have the same turbo in the bp5 2006+ Before it was td05 in manual vs a vf38

Can anyone confirm that the engine hardware is exactly the same? turbo identical between them?

cheers.

[Legacy05]

 Andy_Mac said:

Is this in relation to swapping an engine or just wanting considerations for what model to go for? There's also some EJ255 models out there too.

Donor engine for a kit car I am building

http://www.factoryfive.com/galleries/project-818/818c-coupe/

I don't mind if the computer is different as I will use an after market computer. Its just the hardware I want to confirm is the same 205KW engine.

[Jono24]

In the post facelift cars there are the VF44 and VF45 turbos. My mate has an auto with the VF44, We believe this is the journal bearing turbo, and the vf45 is a ball bearing turbo. No info on the legacy internals however.

[Andy_Mac]

Not quite sure on that. From what we've seen on here in previous threads, the vf45 is on the 06 models and vf44 after that. Could have been the other way round though. All speculation though since no one really pulls these apart to check what bearings they run

For a kit car that will be seeing primarily track use why not go for a EJ207 for the semi closed deck and typically sturdier setup.

[Legacy05]

 Andy_Mac said:

Not quite sure on that. From what we've seen on here in previous threads, the vf45 is on the 06 models and vf44 after that. Could have been the other way round though. All speculation though since no one really pulls these apart to check what bearings they run

For a kit car that will be seeing primarily track use why not go for a EJ207 for the semi closed deck and typically sturdier setup.

It will see primarily road/cruise use. I intend to track it but it wont be regular.

What year/car is the 207 out of?

[Jono24]

The vf44 is definitely a facelift turbo and on (at least some) autos. I could be wrong on the VF45 but that is what i have gathered from reading bitsy forum threads. I thought the turbo numbers came out sequentially (i.e. a vf45 is released at the same time or after a vf44 or lower number)?

[Andy_Mac]

Yea definately facelift. Don't believe they differ in that one is auto and one manual though. most info is sketchy as. Probably right that its vf44 then 45 though