Jap car tuners get a pasting

[newsuba]

...coming off almost as bad as the Mountain Warrior...

;D

October issue of Australian Motor magazine features 22 extreme modified cars; Japs, Yanks, Aussies, Euros.

The best the Jap tuners could do was make places 10 (MRT Evo X) and 4 (City Performance GTR).

The rest of the top ten were one Yank, two Aussies and a heap of Euros.

;D

[Guest]

pfft.

So how was this measured?

[newsuba]

Thoroughly.

Dyno runs at Subaru Australia's Eastern Creek training facility.

Straightline testing (0-100km/h, 0-400m, v-max@400m, 100km/h-0), at Western Sydney International Dragway.

Timed laps at Oran Park.

Warren Luff and John Bowe were the test drivers.

[Jammasta]

Nice, if i had of known that i would have bought that instead of the new EVO magazine at the airport this morning.

Though it is a good magazine.

[newsuba]

Had a look at new EVO, nothing in it for me.

next issue I think has the 100 best drivers' cars.

Take a squizz at the latest airfreighted UK CAR.

New VW Golf R20.

[Jammasta]

The supercar stuff is very interesting, and it was a better read than most mags.

Still feel odd about paying nearly 20 bucks for a magazine with no tatas in it.

[Guest]

meh it will always vary.

diff cars, diff fuels, etc etc. local conditions.

TONS of variables.

Only way to make it equal is use same base car ie say evo 9 or whatever. Brand new. Give them same budget, same fuel, same amount of guys, for one event say drag.

Rinse and repeat for circuit.

Ditto top power, top speed etc.

[Too Broke]

 Rossmnz said:

meh it will always vary.

diff cars, diff fuels, etc etc. local conditions.

TONS of variables.

Only way to make it equal is use same base car ie say evo 9 or whatever. Brand new. Give them same budget, same fuel, same amount of guys, for one event say drag.

Rinse and repeat for circuit.

Ditto top power, top speed etc.

It's a bit hard to compare different tuners when you make them all use the same car - as all tuners have certain areas of expertise.

- It's not like they marketed it as "The best (insert brand here) Tuner"

[Guest]

then how is this a fair indication of tuning ability, as cars like the GTR would obviously be far superior than others. ;D ;D ;D

[Jammasta]

 Rossmnz said:

then how is this a fair indication of tuning ability, as cars like the GTR would obviously be far superior than others. ;D ;D ;D

Far superior yet could only get 4th. :

[newsuba]

 Rossmnz said:

meh it will always vary.

diff cars, diff fuels, etc etc. local conditions.

TONS of variables.

Only way to make it equal is use same base car ie say evo 9 or whatever. Brand new. Give them same budget, same fuel, same amount of guys, for one event say drag.

Rinse and repeat for circuit.

Ditto top power, top speed etc.

Bollocks.

It wasn't a test of what each tuner could do with the same materials.

It was a test of how successful each tuner was with their chosen car.

[Munkvy]

Out of curiosity what were the other cars in the top 10?

I cant say Ive ever had much time for Motor - mainly as it seemed rather local manufacturer biased (Ford/Holden). But thats only my opinion and its a while since Ive read a copy.

[Guest]

 newsuba']

[quote name='Rossmnz said:

meh it will always vary.

diff cars, diff fuels, etc etc. local conditions.

TONS of variables.

Only way to make it equal is use same base car ie say evo 9 or whatever. Brand new. Give them same budget, same fuel, same amount of guys, for one event say drag.

Rinse and repeat for circuit.

Ditto top power, top speed etc.

/quote]

Bollocks.

It wasn't a test of what each tuner could do with the same materials.

It was a test of how successful each tuner was with their chosen car.

So if i tune an Evo 8 and make 600hp reliably at the wheels, and do 10 second passes on its ear, who is to say that this makes me an inferior tuner than someone who makes 1000hp at the wheels in a GTR or V8, and does 8 second passes?

Does this not say that the product I work with is inferior to begin with, rather than any indication of my tuning ability?

[newsuba]

I would READ the article before applying digits to keyboard.

:

[Guest]

<-- is waiting for linksies!

[Koom]

 Rossmnz said:

<-- is waiting for linksies!

Go buy it cheapskate

[Guest]

 Koom']

[quote name='Rossmnz said:

<-- is waiting for linksies!

/quote]

Go buy it cheapskate

Bit difficult when im at work. Its bad enough im reading websites. Reading a mag probably wont go down well.

[Koom]

 Rossmnz']

[quote name='Rossmnz said:

<-- is waiting for linksies!

/quote]

Go buy it cheapskate

Bit difficult when im at work. Its bad enough im reading websites. Reading a mag probably wont go down well.

Take it to the loo then.......

[Guest]

 Koom']

[quote name='Rossmnz said:

<-- is waiting for linksies!

/quote]

Go buy it cheapskate

Bit difficult when im at work. Its bad enough im reading websites. Reading a mag probably wont go down well.

Take it to the loo then.......

Now we all know what sort of mags you take into the toilets with you, dont we tugger? lol

[Koom]

 Rossmnz']

[quote name='Rossmnz said:

<-- is waiting for linksies!

/quote]

Go buy it cheapskate

Bit difficult when im at work. Its bad enough im reading websites. Reading a mag probably wont go down well.

Take it to the loo then.......

Now we all know what sort of mags you take into the toilets with you, dont we tugger? lol

:-[

Just extra rolls of bog roll.

This is way too off topic now! So what car came first? I didn't read the whole thread :

[newsuba]

haha

Unfortunately Motor is one of those mags with zero web presence so stump up the $9.00 or read it for free in your local bookshop or servo.

8)

[Guest]

damnit.

Ill have to wait until tonight.

[BC5RA]

I have the latest issue of EVO.

New Maclaren with comparison to the new Ferrari 458.

But maybe of more interest they drive the new Spec C.

Keypoints;

No Spec C badges

30kg Lighter

2.0 304bhp

New ball bearing turbo

Inter cooler water spray

New rear mechanical LSD

High lateral-g fuel pump

Type specific Dampers/Springs

Thicker rear anti-roll bar

18" alloys

Bridgstone Pontenza RE070's

A second faster around Honda's Motegi complex than a normal STI.

[newsuba]

There's a Spec C drive story in Motor too.

Probably written by the same guy, Peter Lyon.

New Spec C is still a fat bastard at 1450kg.

[BC5RA]

 newsuba said:

There's a Spec C drive story in Motor too.

Probably written by the same guy, Peter Lyon.

New Spec C is still a fat bastard at 1450kg.

Ha ha indeed, should have known; Have bought enough MOTOR to figure they often get some of there big story's from them.

Will pick it up on Payday.