engine swap options for a ej1.6

[Marky]

Especially given how many rando as little changes there are with Subaru looms over the years / models

If its a low end model it may not even run an afm

Turbo swap or don\'t bother is marks marginally educated unwarranted and unrequested opinion

[DRFVDR]

other issues maybe is the 1.6 an EJ series( I know for awhile they were still using the EA in the cheap models)

is the 1.6 single of double OHC ( going on it is an EJ ) if single u will may have to stay single( harder to spot engine swap)

I have a quad cam NA 2 litre Long block here, it will be cheap, could see if the 16 intake manifolds fit and run the 16 ecu,injectors,airflow ( the ecu may be able to handle the increase in cc as it works on th amount of airflow so it may have enough "extra" in it )

[DRFVDR]

Here you go

good old Gazzy

http://www.clubsub.org.nz/forum/index.php/topic,37130.0.html

[94 Leone]

Here\'s a good Q & A for ya

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/knowledge_base.html

If you aren\'t sure.

Yeah capacity increase of your engine req cert, power doesn\'t(up to 20%)

Loopholes...

[Guest]

 94 Leone said:

Here\'s a good Q & A for ya

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/knowledge_base.html

If you aren\'t sure.

Yeah capacity increase of your engine req cert, power doesn\'t(up to 20%)

Loopholes...

Theres only one person here unsure. ^^^

Thats not a loophole, thats a 20% threshold like we\'ve been saying.

[Marky]

The link you just posted proves there is no loophole bro

Will my vehicle require LVV certification if I increase the engine size?

Yes the LVV threshold table states that the replacement engine must be equal or lesser capacity than the OE engine so LVV certification is required.

Will I require LVV certification if I increase the power of my engine?

LVV certification will be required if the increase in power is more than 20%. Adding a supercharger or turbocharger automatically requires certification.

So larger = needs cert

Or more power = needs cert

There is no loophole, the law is quite clear to be fair

The laws on certing go much further than that too - for example a singe turboed legacy should be certed, as it has modifications to the turbo system. In practise you\'d almost never get called out on it BUT point stands

[94 Leone]

Single turbo doesn\'t require cert because it\'s not actually an \'increase\' in power, nor is it adding a turbo, removing one actually. But yeah increase cap is cert requiring I see(I\'ve been reading it wrong the whole time ).although ripping me out is fun; it\'s of no help to the OP. I\'m wrong, coolies: back to helping. The brakes information is also what I was getting at with that link.

[Pappu1]

 We are borg said:

other issues maybe is the 1.6 an EJ series( I know for awhile they were still using the EA in the cheap models)

is the 1.6 single of double OHC ( going on it is an EJ ) if single u will may have to stay single( harder to spot engine swap)

I have a quad cam NA 2 litre Long block here, it will be cheap, could see if the 16 intake manifolds fit and run the 16 ecu,injectors,airflow ( the ecu may be able to handle the increase in cc as it works on th amount of airflow so it may have enough "extra" in it )

engine is a ej16erm2aa

do u really think putting the ej16 mani on a 2.0 block will get the ecu running it

i know its NZ so fully afm dependant for fueling..

turbos seem to have issues with bigger capacity on stock ecu tho....

[Marky]

 94 Leone said:

Single turbo doesn\'t require cert because it\'s not actually an \'increase\' in power, nor is it adding a turbo, removing one actually. But yeah increase cap is cert requiring I see(I\'ve been reading it wrong the whole time ).although ripping me out is fun; it\'s of no help to the OP. I\'m wrong, coolies: back to helping. The brakes information is also what I was getting at with that link.

Note: LVV certification is always required for the fitting of a supercharger or turbocharger as a modification, or the upgrading of a supercharger, turbo or wastegate, or the re-chipping of electronic engine control units on turbo vehicles.

It\'s an upgrade - it should be certed. it\'s not trying to hammer you its more just correcting stuff that is wrong since others might be thinking the same thing.

Anyway - spoon - in theory factory ecus will cope with a bump in capacity, but it\'s often up the whack - say for a given throttle opening, it will now be having airflow much more than before, idle might be a bit insane etc. no different to say making a massive jump in power via heads/cams etc and sticking with factory ecu. If anything it\'s normally the light load & idle which isn\'t right, full noise & heavy throttle is normally fine.

Fwiw it\'s quite normal on other cars - I.e using 2l ecu, afm and injectors runs passably fine on a 1.6 or 1.8 mitsi motor for example. Not perfect but it runs.

Same goes for running an rb25 on an rb20 ecu, etc etc - works but not ideal

[Pappu1]

 Marky']

[quote name='94 Leone said:

Single turbo doesn\'t require cert because it\'s not actually an \'increase\' in power, nor is it adding a turbo, removing one actually. But yeah increase cap is cert requiring I see(I\'ve been reading it wrong the whole time ).although ripping me out is fun; it\'s of no help to the OP. I\'m wrong, coolies: back to helping. The brakes information is also what I was getting at with that link.

/quote]

Note: LVV certification is always required for the fitting of a supercharger or turbocharger as a modification, or the upgrading of a supercharger, turbo or wastegate, or the re-chipping of electronic engine control units on turbo vehicles.

It\'s an upgrade - it should be certed. it\'s not trying to hammer you its more just correcting stuff that is wrong since others might be thinking the same thing.

Anyway - spoon - in theory factory ecus will cope with a bump in capacity, but it\'s often up the whack - say for a given throttle opening, it will now be having airflow much more than before, idle might be a bit insane etc. no different to say making a massive jump in power via heads/cams etc and sticking with factory ecu. If anything it\'s normally the light load & idle which isn\'t right, full noise & heavy throttle is normally fine.

Fwiw it\'s quite normal on other cars - I.e using 2l ecu, afm and injectors runs passably fine on a 1.6 or 1.8 mitsi motor for example. Not perfect but it runs.

Same goes for running an rb25 on an rb20 ecu, etc etc - works but not ideal

is the low end really that bad as in not liveable?

hmm if one was to bolt a ej20G long block to the 1.6 intake/exhaust mani and use the 1.6 ecu and afm - will it run ok (any better than a straight 1.6 - given ej20g will have lower comp)

no turbo mounted

[Pappu1]

engine pic:

[Pappu1]

never seen the throttle on the left side of the throttle body...??

[DacerX]

Yeah marks right it should have a cert, but alot of garages will be like its a turbo subaru make it go away

[Pappu1]

cert should be fine as getting adjusties at same time

wrx adjusties fitted right on with no issues lol

[Marky]

Someone found the silver spraypaint haha

Just do it, if all sensors etc are used it will run, I have 0 idea what\'s compatible though

So long as all the triggers bolt on, and sensors etc are the same, in theory yes it will run

How well, trial and error - worst case might be able to get sorted with a safc or some mix and matching afms? (like 20% larger afm or something?)

[Pappu1]

haha tru tru...

[Pappu1]

the engine in the pic is a EFI (no carbs that i can see?)

what are the thoughts of running a dohc long block on a sohc ecu?

or what if he were to keep the sohc heads and put them on a 2litre shortblock?

so basically just swap 1.6 shortblock to 2.0 shortblock - keep same ecu and afm and manifolds....

[gazzy2000]

i will get some pics of the 1.8 engine i have.

it could almost be plug an play, i can get the ECU too

[Pappu1]

ok...

[gazzy2000]

 SP00N said:

ok...

will be tonight hopefully,

think the engines are called like EJ16 and EJ18 and both are SOHC so there cant be too much difference... we will find out more

[Pappu1]

I posted engine number above if it helps

Yea wikipedia says 1.6 is sohc so a 1.8 sohc may be the next option as the Ecu may just run it

I think lol....

[gazzy2000]

 SP00N said:

I posted engine number above if it helps

Yea wikipedia says 1.6 is sohc so a 1.8 sohc may be the next option as the Ecu may just run it

I think lol....

fuk it, not allowed the car now (the BF with the 1.8 ) the missus said FARK OFF to getting another subaru on the property

so unless u can get down to timaru to get engine out, i cant help you sorry

its in storage, the actual owners dont want a thing to do with it.. i am aloud to grab whatever i want but have to arrange for it to be dumped

[Pappu1]

I know the feeling

[gazzy2000]

 SP00N said:

I know the feeling

lol yip, we got 4 already and a dead van