good working gearbox on.. but no drive..

[minsu515]

hey all. i finaly got everything back together thought there was no drive coz didnt have the front axels in, but i puted the axels in but front and rear wheels still spin back and forward even on gears..

i think somthing to do with clutch engaging..?

what do you all think it could be?

need help ???

[nzkaosnz]

driveshaft bolts in?

[Guest keltik]

Have you got the clutch setup right? Are all the wheels off the ground? Its not just the differential spinning?

[minsu515]

 nzkaosnz said:

driveshaft bolts in?

yes driveshaft bolts are in.. i really dntknw whats going on..

[driftrex]

sounds like its time to take it to a professional bro.

[minsu515]

 keltik said:

Have you got the clutch setup right? Are all the wheels off the ground? Its not just the differential spinning?

hi, how wouldI make sure if the clutch set up is right? and no the differetial is spinning..

but what I can tell you is, I had front wheels lifted and put in gears and turnd front wheels back and forwards but they still spin with only front wheels off the ground.

[driftrex]

is this with the engine off? as you still cant start it can you? so you would be just turning the wheels by hand yes?

[minsu515]

 driftrex said:

sounds like its time to take it to a professional bro.

yes I would do that in the very last. but it could be somthing very major so i want to do everything what i can do bfore taking it to a garage..

[minsu515]

 driftrex said:

is this with the engine off? as you still cant start it can you? so you would be just turning the wheels by hand yes?

yes with the engine off, front wheels off the ground, and yes, with hands

[driftrex]

 minsu515']

[quote name='driftrex said:

is this with the engine off? as you still cant start it can you? so you would be just turning the wheels by hand yes?

/quote]

yes with the engine off, front wheels off the ground, and yes, with hands

right , what happens with car on the ground, put in gear, turn key to crank engine (obviously its not going to start anyway) if the car tries to move then you have drive. if it dont move at all then you have no drive. just be careful as the car will lurch forward if its got drive lol.

[Koom]

When you're turning the front wheels, does the one on the opposite side go the opposite direction to the one you're turning?

Cause it just sounds like you're rotating the wheels on an open front diff and they will always spin freely in the situation you've described. Can you rotate the driveshaft with the car in gear? Can you push the whole car with it in gear? Have you tried to drive it?

[driftrex]

 Koom said:

When you're turning the front wheels, does the one on the opposite side go the opposite direction to the one you're turning?

Cause it just sounds like you're rotating the wheels on an open front diff and they will always spin freely in the situation you've described. Can you rotate the driveshaft with the car in gear? Can you push the whole car with it in gear? Have you tried to drive it?

my thoughts exactly, the car isnt able to be started at the moment but yea as you say put it in gear and give it a push.

[funkytown]

if its in gear.. and fronts or rears are in the air..

you spin either a front or rear, it will spin the other front or rear in opposite directions (assuming open diff front) and (viscous(most likely)) rear..

so nothing to do with gearbox not mounted right

what koom / driftrex said: put it in gear, put the whole thing on the ground and try to push it

[minsu515]

 Koom said:

When you're turning the front wheels, does the one on the opposite side go the opposite direction to the one you're turning?

Cause it just sounds like you're rotating the wheels on an open front diff and they will always spin freely in the situation you've described. Can you rotate the driveshaft with the car in gear? Can you push the whole car with it in gear? Have you tried to drive it?

I think I was abit stupid.. I only had front wheels off the air and turned.

as I knew, even with front on air I Thought front wheels shouldnt of turned but I jacked it down and now the car doesnt roll in gears. does every subaru or 4wd cars with front off ground, do wheels spin?

but as u asked when i turn left wheel the right wheel spins opposite direction

[minsu515]

 funkytown said:

if its in gear.. and fronts or rears are in the air..

you spin either a front or rear, it will spin the other front or rear in opposite directions (assuming open diff front) and (viscous(most likely)) rear..

so nothing to do with gearbox not mounted right

what koom / driftrex said: put it in gear, put the whole thing on the ground and try to push it

hey yes. that was right. i didnt try roll the car in gear with all four wheels on the ground.

i just checked it now and now when i put in gear and try to roll it locks up.

[driftrex]

 minsu515']

[quote name='funkytown said:

if its in gear.. and fronts or rears are in the air..

you spin either a front or rear, it will spin the other front or rear in opposite directions (assuming open diff front) and (viscous(most likely)) rear..

so nothing to do with gearbox not mounted right

what koom / driftrex said: put it in gear, put the whole thing on the ground and try to push it

/quote]

hey yes. that was right. i didnt try roll the car in gear with all four wheels on the ground.

i just checked it now and now when i put in gear and try to roll it locks up.

sweet problem solved, now you just need to get it started ;D

[Koom]

They spin like that because of the open front diff. The viscous rear also does it as they lock up more as the torque difference to either side gets greater i.e. spinning one wheel.

If you have plate diffs they spin in the same direction and if you have plate diffs in front, centre and rear then you wouldn't have been able to spin the fronts with the rear still on the ground.

[funkytown]

 Koom said:

They spin like that because of the open front diff. The viscous rear also does it as they lock up more as the torque difference to either side gets greater i.e. spinning one wheel.

If you have plate diffs they spin in the same direction and if you have plate diffs in front, centre and rear then you wouldn't have been able to spin the fronts with the rear still on the ground.

thanks dude! the missing half of my logic, saved twice in one day

[Koom]

 funkytown']

[quote name='Koom said:

They spin like that because of the open front diff. The viscous rear also does it as they lock up more as the torque difference to either side gets greater i.e. spinning one wheel.

If you have plate diffs they spin in the same direction and if you have plate diffs in front, centre and rear then you wouldn't have been able to spin the fronts with the rear still on the ground.

/quote]

thanks dude! the missing half of my logic, saved twice in one day

haha thats what I'm getting paid for I spose......

[funkytown]

 Koom']

[quote name='Koom said:

They spin like that because of the open front diff. The viscous rear also does it as they lock up more as the torque difference to either side gets greater i.e. spinning one wheel.

If you have plate diffs they spin in the same direction and if you have plate diffs in front, centre and rear then you wouldn't have been able to spin the fronts with the rear still on the ground.

/quote]

thanks dude! the missing half of my logic, saved twice in one day

haha thats what I'm getting paid for I spose......

paid ??? ??? ??? : : : goes off to check mysterious bank withdrawls.. ;D

[minsu515]

yup:) just need it to make it start but cant find anything to stop it from starting.. :-[

found a ground wire sitting in my car that has came off somewhere but dont remember as i didnt take it off..

mate has while he was helping me take the gbox off. but he doesnt remember aswel.

anyways!! Thanks for everyone that has helped and explaind why it was doing that! :)

[Koom]

 funkytown']

[quote name='Koom said:

haha thats what I'm getting paid for I spose......

/quote]

paid ??? ??? ??? : : : goes off to check mysterious bank withdrawls.. ;D

Well I was sitting at work at the time. Someone was paying me haha