Power output

[Earl]

How does the saloon put out more power than the wagon? is it just the ECU or the turbo control or cams or....

[Guest iceboychch]

hey can ya give a link to this info?

what kind of wagons / sedans are u reffering too?

[Earl]

WRX V4 1997 Saloon puts out more power than wagon why?

[Carbon]

Ones and auto and ones a manual.

[Earl]

No, motor power output differs, nothing to do with auto manual. Anyone know?

[Carbon]

 Earl said:

No, motor power output differs, nothing to do with auto manual. Anyone know?

Is this a guessing game?

 

hey can ya give a link to this info?

what kind of wagons / sedans are u reffering too?

[funkytown]

since when exactly...

if we are talking v3 onwards (as i cant comment for 1/2) im sure the GF's do just the same amount as GC's, certainly my GF (read: hatchback (for the smart buggers)) keeps up

all the spec sheets i have seen says that GF's come out with the full 206kw at the engine..

I think its well understood that Auto's have less, in the order of 180 - 190kws depending on the model and year

[Pappu1]

i thought the GC/GF sti were the same..

only the older (pre 97) wagons had the smaller turbo

not sure if differences in turbo were in upper years

[funkytown]

 pappu said:

i thought the GC/GF sti were the same..

only the older (pre 97) wagons had the smaller turbo

not sure if differences in turbo were in upper years

yup the same - same engine, turbo and ecu - afaik

maybe slightly heavier but minimal difference

[Guest iceboychch]

Earl.. please be more specific about where you have seen / heard this. thanks

[Dirka]

Sedans have TD05h Turbos

SportsHatches have TD04L Turbos (Spool up quicker but run our of juice early)

STIs are different again for both (IHI)

[kamineko]

 Dirka said:

Sedans have TD05h Turbos

SportsHatches have TD04L Turbos (Spool up quicker but run our of juice early)

STIs are different again for both (IHI)

umm hmm

what model year are you talking about? this isnt valid across all models, and can't be valid for any one model

go here and have a look

http://www.catherineandken.co.uk/sti/wrx.html

[kamineko]

 Earl said:

How does the saloon put out more power than the wagon? is it just the ECU or the turbo control or cams or....

to answer this question

the manual sedan is the base model.

an auto or wagon has a detuned ecu, sometimes accompanied by a smaller turbo and different block

usually a STI model has the same output between sedan/wagon

[Disruptz]

If the wagon was faster, they would Rally it in the wrc wouldn't they?..nuff said.

Sedan would be faster if you went technical with aerodynamics etc...

[Joker]

AAAaaactually on the Legacy range the Wagon has sightly better/Lower wind resistance

I cannot recall source or figure but is true AFAIK for the BD/BG range

[funkytown]

 Disruptz said:

If the wagon was faster, they would Rally it in the wrc wouldn't they?..nuff said.

Sedan would be faster if you went technical with aerodynamics etc...

ermm wasnt the last subaru that was in WRC a hatch?

and completely irrelevant - arent all over manufactors usng hatchs as well?

[BC5RA]

A GF is a wagon, WRC contenders use hatches mainly for their short wheelbase. In any case anything made after 2000 is bloated.

[Earl]

For clarification I have a 97 wagon wrx manual import (not STI) the infomation on a UK site similar to the info given by Dirca above and also in a book called Subaru Impressa Turbo by Chris Rees says they put out less power but not why. In 97 for example for a Jap import wagon like mine it puts out 250PS in manual form but the saloon puts out 280PS. (The automatic wagon puts out 240PS). My understanding was the TD04 turbo was across the range (not STI or RA) in this year along with other changes coils, intake manifold etc. Still leaves the main question unaswered though. Is it the ECU or turbo scroll or.... :-\

[Earl]

Just seen Kaminekos reply so ECU is different. Anyone else any further ideas?

[Earl]

scoobypedia UK has the infomation on power output verus model/year

[kamineko]

JDM:

97 WRX SEDAN is EJ20K engine with VF22, yellow 440cc injectors, larger AFM etc pretty much STI minus the internals.

97 WRX WAGON is older EJ20G engine (block only) with TD04 and grey 380cc injectors, smaller AFM diameter.

[DPI]

 BC5RA said:

A GF is a wagon, WRC contenders use hatches mainly for their short wheelbase. In any case anything made after 2000 is bloated.

Now, that's a broad statement.

I'd hardly call 1290kg bloated...

[BC5RA]

 DPI']

[quote name='BC5RA said:

A GF is a wagon, WRC contenders use hatches mainly for their short wheelbase. In any case anything made after 2000 is bloated.

/quote]

Now, that's a broad statement.

I'd hardly call 1290kg bloated...

Well, you would be referring to your own specialized vehicle.

[Koom]

 BC5RA said:

A GF is a wagon, WRC contenders use hatches mainly for their short wheelbase. In any case anything made after 2000 is bloated.

Actually the new Impreza hatch (i.e. MY08) had a longer wheelbase than the previous model.

And I wouldn't say that the +2000 models are bloated. That would imply that they are carrying extra, unnecessary weight yet they seem to perform better and better every year.....

[GregNZ101]

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/subaru/ use this to look up the specs