The difference between Legacy RSK B4 and B4?

[Oesnam]

ahh sh!t i fail. haha guess you're right Ben.

learn something new everyday

[Guest]

Found this, its a bit hard to read but cbf tidying it up

GENERAL

Body type Hardtop

Drive FULL 4WD

Transmission 5MT

Displacement, cc 1994

Frame GF-BE5

Price of new car, thousands yen (Tokyo area) 2643 (~$22000)

SPECIFICATION (SPECS)

EXTERIOR

Exterior dimensions (LxWxH), mm 4605 x 1695 x 1410

Interior dimensions (LxWxH), mm 1965 x 1440 x 1155

Wheel base, mm 2650

Treads (F/R), mm 1465 / 1465

Ground clearance, mm 155

Curb vehicle weight, kg 1460

Gross vehicle weight, kg

Seating capacity, persons 5

Doors number 4

Min.turning radius, m 5.6

Fuel tank capacity, l 64

ENGINE

Displacement, cc 1994

Engine model EJ20

Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 280 ps (205.94 kw) / 6500 rpm

Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 35.0 kg*m (343.23 N*m) / 5000 rpm

Power density 5.21

Engine type Horizontal opposition 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve twin turbo

Engine information BOXER PHASEII 2 stage twin turbo (slanted flow turbine)

Fuel system EGI (electronic gasoline injection:Multiple point injection)

Turbocharger Twin Turbo

Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline

LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No

Compression ratio 9

Bore, mm 92

Stroke, mm 75

Final gear ratio

Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 8.7

Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km

CHASSIS / TRANSMISSION

Power steering Yes

Tires size, front 215/45ZR17

Tires size rear 215/45ZR17

Braking system, front Ventilated disk

Braking system, rear Ventilated disk

Suspension system, front Strut type independent suspension

Suspension system, rear Multiple link type independent suspension

EQUIPMENT

EXTERIOR EQUIPMENT

Sunroof / Moonroof Not Present

Front fog lamp Present

Rear fog lamp Not Present

Xenon headlight (Discharge lamp) Present

Projector headlight Not Present

Rear wiper Present

Front spoiler Present

Rear or roof spoiler Option

ABS (Antilock brake system) Present

TCS (Traction control system) Not Present

LSD (Limited slip differential) Present

Privacy glass Option

UV cutting glass Present

Aluminium wheel 17 inch standard

INTERIOR EQUIPMENT

Air conditioner Full automatic

Wood panel Not Present

Cruise control Not Present

Centralized door lock Present

Power window Present

Steering wheel telescopic Not Present

Steering wheel tilt Present

Leather steering wheel Present

Power front seat Not Present

Power rear seat Not Present

Leather seat Option

Falling down type rear seat Not Present

Child seat fixed with seat belt Present

Rear ELR3 point seat belt Present

Front seat pretensioner seat belt Present

Fourth limited front seat belt Present

Side impact bar Present

Airbag (Driver) Present

Airbag (Passenger) Present

Airbag (Side) Option

Audio deck AM/FM radio equipped MD player

CD-player Single equipment

Car navigation system Option

[D-Style]

I had both a '01 Blitzen (BE5C) and a '04 V9 STi

-both had 206kw rated, but TT had 343nm while the V9 had 410nm

-the B4 weight 1479 when i weight it, V9 was 1500kg (i had a v2 RA which weight like 1160kg!!)

B4 5spd V9 6spd

B4 13-18psi boost V9 23psi boost (this is factory)

The b4 did feel faster from above 6k rpm, but was still alot slower than the sti. Plus the STi would leave it for dead in the corners and braking.

Add in the differences in suspension, steering, DCCD etc etc

You cant really compare between the 2 types of cars.

[Guest]

 D-Style said:

You cant really compare between the 2 types of cars.

Excatly, they are two different category of car, ones a family sedan and ones a rally car for the roads

[Guest]

Hi all,

Was going to start a new thread but this one seems along the same lines.

Im very new to Subaru's in General and i've been offered a completely stock RSK.

It's blue, it's manual, it's twin turbo, it's NZ NEW and made in 2001.

Firstly, are these cars any good? I dont plan to keep it long term. Plan is to sell it straight away pretty much but hopefully enjoy it while it's on the market. (Who knows, I might even fall for it... Subaru's are very nice cars to drive from my experiences)

Secondly, what are these cars worth. I had a look on trade me and found anything from $6k - $16k... The one in question has done approx 100k's and the belts have been done.

Are there any differences from NZ New to Imported?

Being a 2001, will that make it a facelift model? (I am still awaiting pictures).

And what is this bumper? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Subaru/Legacy/auction-281656485.htm

Cos that is by far the hottest looking B4 front end ever. I want it.

Thanks in advance!

[Guest]

 XPLOIT said:

Hi all,

Was going to start a new thread but this one seems along the same lines.

Im very new to Subaru's in General and i've been offered a completely stock RSK.

It's blue, it's manual, it's twin turbo, it's NZ NEW and made in 2001.

Firstly, are these cars any good? I dont plan to keep it long term. Plan is to sell it straight away pretty much but hopefully enjoy it while it's on the market. (Who knows, I might even fall for it... Subaru's are very nice cars to drive from my experiences)

Secondly, what are these cars worth. I had a look on trade me and found anything from $6k - $16k... The one in question has done approx 100k's and the belts have been done.

Are there any differences from NZ New to Imported?

Being a 2001, will that make it a facelift model? (I am still awaiting pictures).

And what is this bumper? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Subaru/Legacy/auction-281656485.htm

Cos that is by far the hottest looking B4 front end ever. I want it.

Thanks in advance!

These cars are awesome, you'll enjoy it

The tune on a NZ new one will be different to the JDM spec one. In theory, it'll be better tuned for NZ fuel but whether that is actually true, I don't know. With an NZ spec tune, in theory it would be rated to produce less power but on NZ fuel, they're probably much the same.

How much it is worth depends on how tidy it is and whether it is stock or not. For $16k I'd be expecting it to be well modified and in excellent condition. A $6k one is likely to be high mileage and/or untidy but there are always exceptions....

I believe that is the final facelift bumper. A couple of the guys have cars with that bumper. I also believe that that bumper is only on the B4, not the GTB (so the sedan, not the wagon).

Oh, and that Legacy you found on Trademe with the bumper has been on there for AGES... like a couple of months so either there is something wrong with it or he is still asking a bit too much for it.

[subypower]

 smurff said:

thought for an RS/RSK it had a red colour on the bevel of the b4 emblem on the boot

-smurff

Yea he's right RSK B4 has the red outline, RS B4 has a black outline.

[ReubenH]

I like these figures

B4 curb weight: 1460kg

2010 STi weight: 1505kg

Btw, the B4 weight listed there is slighty higher than the BG GTB weight. AFIAK the weight increases each year are due to crash ratings going up. Would much rather be in a BE in an accident than my BG.

[GravelBen]

 SpotMe said:

The tune on a NZ new one will be different to the JDM spec one. In theory, it'll be better tuned for NZ fuel but whether that is actually true, I don't know. With an NZ spec tune, in theory it would be rated to produce less power but on NZ fuel, they're probably much the same.

I tried to find info about this when I bought mine (2002 GTB E-tune) - it was sold as NZ-new (I'm the second owner and have the paperwork) but seems to be JDM spec based on VIN plate etc, apparently imported/complianced by Subaru NZ as a new car, 3km on the clock at first inspection according to carjam.

Anyway I never found out if they actually did retune for NZ fuel or make any other mechanical changes, so if anyone knows I'd be interested to hear what the story is. Mechanics with experience of plenty other TT Subarus have commented on how well mine goes, but whether thats evidence for an NZ retune or just within the natural variation of them I don't know.

Also, the Rev-D facelift came in mid 2001 from memory, so the one you're looking at may or may not be. Easy to tell from 4th letter of chassis code though.

[familyman]

Ther is a way to tell if been tuned that is quite a bit of fun.

As everyone knows, JDM cars all have 180 km/h speed cut yet many manufacturers tend not to keep this in program in NZ.

Not sure if applies to all but wifes 01 B4 is NZ new purchased in New Plymouth store and that doesn't cut out at 180.

[GravelBen]

Mine doesn't cut out an an indicated 180 [arbitrary units only on a racetrack occifer], but does cut out at an indicated ~195ish (estimated, well off the clock). Which may just be speedo overread, so if you didn't go far above an indicated 180 it may be there after all

[Guest]

so in reading this i have an b4 tt.blistien suspension.if i look on subaru computer thingy it will come up as b4 rsk?? haha im confussed! lol

[gtlegacy]

im pretty sure the bilstein struts are called b4s? but that doesnt explain whyy non turbo is still called a b4

[subieboy]

 gtlegacy said:

im pretty sure the bilstein struts are called b4s? but that doesnt explain whyy non turbo is still called a b4

Marketing exercise for sales

From memory I believe they were fitted with Bilstein struts (hence the b4)

[Guest]

i mite have the wrong end of the stick here.in reading am i right in saying that my b4 is rsk?? mines twin turbo with blistien suspension??haha

[Joker]

k = kompressor = turbo so yep

[subieboy]

 JoKer said:

k = kompressor = turbo so yep

+1

[dubbedup]

tl;dr prolly a couple grand. :

[slystiguy]

I find it hard to belive b4s only way 1500 kg when my wagon weighs 1700

[GravelBen]

 slystiguy said:

I find it hard to belive b4s only way 1500 kg when my wagon weighs 1700

What wagon is that?

[Jord]

Remember those factory figures will be 'dry' figures. No fuel, No passengers, No sh#t in the boot etc

[Enervated]

I've got a RSK B4 and from what i've researched it's apparently between 1400-1500kg curb weight, in saying that, mine may very well be a litle heavier than that with full leather interior.

Also trying to compare the RSK and WRX together is not logical, The RSK is a family sedan whereas the WRX is built for rally/speed so ofcourse the WRX will have more torque than the RSK and reach a top speed quicker due to short gear ratios, but having longer gear ratios it would make higher top end?

Does anyone which has the better top end? RSK or WRX?

[Joker]

Legacy's in general have a taller gearbox, Impreza's shorter for acceleration

[pl0x]

Pretty sure b4's are almost bang on 1500kg

and not sure about gearboxes but the forester one i have now has much long gears than my old b4 one

[D4_]

 pl0x said:

was wondering why you hardly ever see "RSK\'s" round

no doubt bro cause you cant tell if a B4 is a RS or RSK just by looking at it or reading its badges. youll have to look at the rego.