do wagons make good track cars?

[aim]

 funkytown said:

id bet half of it is also to do with 'cool' and racing ppl would far rather a sedan that hatch. Extend this to drifting, where 'go fast' isnt really the aim, so you could possibly use either with little difference.

For drifting you want a light, stiff rear, no? wagon makes zero sense here Also, when the car is going sideways, and you look at the side profile of a wagon vs sedan... there are many arguments for sedan over wagon in drifting.

[pedro]

Lower numbers are better...

Smooth brick 2.2

vw combi 0.42

lambo countach 0.42...Go figure that.

[Optical]

 GC8E2DD']

[quote name='aim said:

The idea of a hatch for rallying was a short wheel base I thought.

/quote]

That might make sense except that as far as I can find the wheelbase has grown in size for each of the three generations of chassis - most significantly with the third. It's all about the overhangs ...

I agree

The wheel base change between models is 10-25mm. And that change was only to better the suspension geometry as far as i can tell. The difference in wheelbase would be pretty negligible

Changes in centre of gravity make a big difference to handling. Weight up high is a penalty

[Guest]

FWIW

CD has nothing to do with frontal area.

The main reason wagons have higher drag is the rear creates greater wake turbulence. Airflow can not follow the steep rear end of a wagon. Whereas on a sedan the rear window angle is much shallower.

The new 2011 sti sedan has a 5km/h higher top speed than the wagon version

[slystiguy]

So the difference would be minimal at best really?

[aim]

 Qwerty said:

FWIW

CD has nothing to do with frontal area.

The main reason wagons have higher drag is the rear creates greater wake turbulence. Airflow can not follow the steep rear end of a wagon. Whereas on a sedan the rear window angle is much shallower.

The new 2011 sti sedan has a 5km/h higher top speed than the wagon version

well it does have an effect, but since the front is near identical, it has little effect between the two models. But the rest is true, most of the drag comes from vortices's produced at the back, I never mentioned this because I thought it was inherently obvious haha.

Interesting fact, formula one cars have drag coefficients of around 1, because of the wings basically. It's also why their top speed is rather lack lustre.

[Guest]

 slystiguy said:

So the difference would be minimal at best really?

Depends - if you just wanted a fun track car it doesn't matter as said earlier.

But say you wanted to race in NZGT or time attack then having an extra 5-10km/h might make the difference between making that pass or not or posting the fastest time.

[Koom]

 funkytown said:

id bet half of it is also to do with 'cool' and racing ppl would far rather a sedan that hatch. Extend this to drifting, where 'go fast' isnt really the aim, so you could possibly use either with little difference.

haha I doubt that people spending over 100k on a racecar would care about "cool" factor if they could build the same car in wagon form that was 0.1sec a lap faster. Yet you don't see wagons all through GT series' around the world. What about V8 supercar wagons? With 4wd...

Drifting isn't racing anyway, its ballet, or syncronised swimming, both of which aren't real sports cause they're judged by people and not a stopwatch

But also, to jump ship and go to the wagon side, how can this be up to 4 pages and no one has mentioned the greatest BTCC racer of all time ("greatest" purely cause the driver's were nuts and made gaps out of nothing, not based on results at all cause I don't remember if they did well, I just liked them);

Also glass is one of the heaviest things in the body work. Wagon's are severely disadvantaged here. And its all way up high.

Maybe someone should cut down the roof at the back of a GTB and make a fastback Legacy?

[aim]

 Koom said:

Maybe someone should cut down the roof at the back of a GTB and make a fastback Legacy?

God damn that'd be ugly

[DacerX]

4 seat cabriolet? Oh god the horror that would be , but in all fairness what about the twin turbo v10 Audi wagon which name escapes me right now , that thing is cool and fast and also that BP racecar a few years ago that thing was awesome (I really wish that I was on my computer and not my phone writing this )

[Scoobydoo]

Audi RS6

[DacerX]

thats the one, would not mind one of those. and then the BMW M5 touring and the Merc C63 AMG Estate mmmmm now those are cool wagons and fast

[DacerX]

[Guest DMSREX]

Maybe the new Audi RS3 announced this week 5 five cylinder turbo 17 psi boost from the factory.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/11/01-rs3-630.jpg

[BLAZD]

 S T E Y E said:

bro just watch videos of RITALN on youtube.....

hahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahha

[Guest S T E Y E]

funny 2 c u laughing bro...i had a laugh wen i saw ur car in performance car with ur bulls*** list of dream mods dat arent on the car hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

dats if u r da wagon with blazd rego ...if not if always wanted to take a stab at that guy anyway hah

[funkytown]

no offence S T E Y E (and not defending BLAZD) but RITALN has no respect here at all, that includes street racing and melling infamous.

Past events have proven hes a douche.

[Joker]

haha aw c'mon Tim was a prim-0 champ - made things interesting!

[BLAZD]

 S T E Y E said:

funny 2 c u laughing bro...i had a laugh wen i saw ur car in performance car with ur bulls*** list of dream mods dat arent on the car hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

dats if u r da wagon with blazd rego ...if not if always wanted to take a stab at that guy anyway hah

list away man

0273160526 give me a call or pop over, have a stab

but i have a feeling your too cool with your gay Trademe angel eyes and faggot advanti medusas, you and your car, are gay

well done !

[Guest loren]

+1. frackoff.

[Guest S T E Y E]

fair enuff....ill sort this chap out.....................and as for timmy and RITALN i have alota respect for him.....i could name a huge list of fuckheads on here i have no respect for starting with loren??? thats a girls name neway lol

[funkytown]

if you think going and seeing some one to dish out some violence is the answer, or Tim deserves your respect, or anyones for that matter i suggest you (much like loren says and) frackoff.

we dont need fools like you here.

[ODB]

now now people lets not be hasty.

This RITALN has done some wack shiz by the sounds of things but he might have changed his stripes.

I respect lots of people, but it doesnt mean that i agree with everything they say or do.

Lets just simmer down and let S T E Y E find his feet in the forum.

Until he proves himself a GC or a dolphin i say live and let live.

ODB: the voice of reason?

[zarnah]

 ODB said:

now now people lets not be hasty.

ODB: the voice of reason?

ODB: going soft on us?

[GC8E2DD]

 S T E Y E said:

i have no respect for starting with loren???

The thing about respect; why would anyone care whether or not they have yours? That's a bit pretentious isn't it? Ultimately the best respect to gain is from those whom you yourself respect. Clearly this reciprocality does not exist.